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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by paul_austin » 04 Sep 2018, 14:23

It would seem the Primate of Githas plan is working then.

Perhaps when you speak with these people you should ask them where they heard this and how find out how much is truly reliable.
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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by JamesHuds » 04 Sep 2018, 15:37

Okay, I know very little of religion, and only what I need to know of the law.

But looking at whats going on, am I wrong in thinking the Primates of the Churches are the closest mortals to their respective gods? so much so that they have a personal relic of that god bestowed upon them?

If so does that mean that these people, are doing what they believe is right for the good of the gods at the very least, and by trying to punish them you are stopping these people, who are closest to the gods, from doing what they believe is right to help the gods?

By that reasoning, everyone else believes they know better than the people the gods place the most trust in, and people of ithron are believing that the laws of ithron are more important than the gods.

This is not an accusation, more a summary of what a simple non religious man sees of the situation. What i assume many others throughout Ithron will also take from this.

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by PR Longstor » 04 Sep 2018, 16:41

Hello Castor,

As a priest and a former lawman, I may be best placed to answer your question.

It is a difficult conundrum indeed, when your duties to your church conflict with your responsibility to the land and its people. Part of being a citizen of Ithron is agreeing to follow its laws. The law document makes it clear that rules of the land come before rules of the church.

High Father Stephan was placed in a tougher position where he saw his duty to his god in conflict with the laws of the land in which he resides.

He knew what the consequences could be for his actions and chose to honour his interpretation of his faith. While I DO NOT agree with his actions in helping consecrate a dual shrine, I do respect his conviction to his god and faith.

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by JamesHuds » 04 Sep 2018, 18:59

Thankyou for your response Mr Primate, I sort of understand, though i'm still a bit confused, does this mean the gods are subject to the laws of Ithron or that the gods are exempt but anyone who acts in their favour is?

For instance, i don't know if this is how the current actions happened, but if a light god asked a worshiper to do a certain action, that in the law of Ithron is illegal, is it that the follower is punished but not the one who asked them to?

My apologies if this comes across as anything other than pure curiosity and a want to understand how the world works.

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by PR Longstor » 04 Sep 2018, 19:06

If this situation occurs then it would come down to the individual choice of the poor soul made to choose.

I can say what I would do if the time came and the choice was laid at my feet. But that's of little value to you.

To suggest somone should go against the will of the gods may be considered heresy, to suggest someone should always follow the will of the gods over the law may be considered treason.

It's a tough subject, however one may consider the gods have power over your immortal soul, whereas the law tend to end its remit with your temporary fleshy vessel.

To ignore your god may see you damned for eternity, to ignore the law may see you returned to the cycle. Neither choice may appeal to some, so let us be thankful the laws of the land are reasonable and the gods grant us such autonomy under Sidhe's gift of free will.

I hope this removes the mist over the muddy puddle of this quandary.

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by Palthera » 04 Sep 2018, 19:08

God always trumps law, but that doesn't mean you get to weasel out of the consequences of your actions. The Gods Themselves are not subject to Ithronian law, but we are and if you cannot face up to doing what you believe to be morally right, even if the law says differently, then you should not dedicate yourself to a God.
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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by Reaver91 » 04 Sep 2018, 19:14

But High Father Stephen was doing EXACTLY what Lady Vleybor asks of him. He reduced conflict, he prevented unnecessary bloodshed. He did everything in the name of his Lady.

To not do what his Lady asks would make him an excommunicant!

So now it's illegal for people to do what the Seven ask them too?

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by TimC » 04 Sep 2018, 19:16

If what is asked of them falls outside of the law, then yes? It's a rather simple concept.

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by Nick of Lirron » 04 Sep 2018, 19:23

I have a question relating to this, more for my own clarity of mind than anything, I understand that the law forbids anything that undermines the worship of the seven. From what's been said here, the takeaway seems to be that the law itself, however, can undermine that by criminalizing priests who are forced, by their sins, to do something illegal, Is that correct?

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Re: Petition against the Council of Light

Post by JamesHuds » 04 Sep 2018, 19:24

I see, so worshiping a god partly means being prepared to go against the law? That rings true from what I have heard about the dark gods without a doubt, but I presumed that the light would either not condone a follower breaking the law or would expect our law to turn a blind eye towards their actions.

I'm sorry for all the questions, In the fae realm, in my court at least, the king of autumns word is law, we all know that and accept that. So I find the aspect of having the gods, a king and a law all with the possibility of contradicting each other, very confusing.

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