Primates, dual shrines and morality

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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by PR Longstor » 28 Sep 2018, 06:45

Assuming that primate you refer to is me Felix then I would say that my postings were indeed met with "confrontation, aggravation and provocation." But that is how I interpret my job.

We cause a lot of anguish to the people of Ithron, anger and betrayal that we did not anticipate, but if we hide away in our cloisters or castles until it blows over then what message does that send?

People were desperate for answers and explanations, so I bore the slings and arrows of grievous misfortune for the council alone. I do not expect thanks or gratitude for being the sole rock in the storm, but I do not expect my actions to be intimated to be folly, or without preparation.

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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by DOF Sidhe » 28 Sep 2018, 09:43

Primate, could you kindly explain ‘slings and arrows of grievous misfortune’?

From my understanding, you were convicted of a crime. In an extremely fortuitous turn of events, this sentence has been significantly reduced to that of ‘blasphemy’; something that was (again, from my understanding) only a local bylaw.

Some may consider any ‘grievous misfortune’ you encountered to be justly served upon a man of your standing. However, playing a martyr does feel unworthy of one who should be contrite and very humbled by just how much fortune they have encountered - regardless of slings or arrows.

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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by Mike P BL8 » 28 Sep 2018, 10:03

Primate Felix I address you with your correct name, could you please do me the courtesy of doing the same. Its just polite

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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by Harry the Chippie » 28 Sep 2018, 10:19

I've tried to avoid all this heresy stuff as I aint one for confrontation with folks what are my friends and peers. But I finds the lack of repermacussions for what was an act of heresy very disturbing. I've held my peace for too long, in part because I feel I share some of the guilt for this. I actually saw the heretical consecration taking place and didnt lift a finger, or a club, to stop it, cos I was told that "wiser heads than mine" in the Council of Light has said it was good. This felt wrong then and feels even more wrong now in the light of some of the self preening comments that are being made by folks what should be ashamed of what they did and yet have scrabbled, with an unseemly lack morals, to cling to their positions. I feel that Douglas is right in that the church organisation is only really in place to protect themselves, not to serve their God and their people. As I feel that someone should at least be seen to be held to account for their actions...or lack of, I am resigning from my position as Chaplain to the Arboris as I feel I no longer deserve the post, until such time as my gaffer Lord Longstor tells me I have earned my seat there again. Which like as not will ne'er happen. I also publicly disassociate myself from the church hierarchy as I feel it has become about a man rather than a God. I will, however, continue to pay my tithes to the church, as the money I contribute will go towards helping the large numbers of non adventuring priests who are the ones dealing with the people of Ithron on a daily basis. I apologise to my friends that read this and dont agree with my choices. I do this because I'm not comfortable with the thought that I failed to act when I could have done and I need to atone for that. I also do it to set an example, that will perhaps restore some semblance of faith in the church among the good folk of Ithron and perhaps lead others to look at themselves through the eyes of others outside their immediate circles.


I look forwards to hearing from Sir Sinjen and Father Militant Amras as soon as they read or hear of this post.
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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by paul_austin » 28 Sep 2018, 11:44

Mr Burrowight people have been held accountable for their actions.
High Father (Formerly Primate) Stephen of Vleybor is a convicted and branded heretic and is doing many long years of community service.
This was ultimately his error, where faith and law conflicted, he saw it as his duty to try to reduce the fighting between Githasian and Light churches .

I think everything past there is so mired in hot headed opinion it means very little.
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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by Steve » 28 Sep 2018, 12:11

Harry the Chippie wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 10:19
I've tried to avoid all this heresy stuff as I aint one for confrontation with folks what are my friends and peers. But I finds the lack of repermacussions for what was an act of heresy very disturbing. I've held my peace for too long, in part because I feel I share some of the guilt for this. I actually saw the heretical consecration taking place and didnt lift a finger, or a club, to stop it, cos I was told that "wiser heads than mine" in the Council of Light has said it was good. This felt wrong then and feels even more wrong now in the light of some of the self preening comments that are being made by folks what should be ashamed of what they did and yet have scrabbled, with an unseemly lack morals, to cling to their positions. I feel that Douglas is right in that the church organisation is only really in place to protect themselves, not to serve their God and their people. As I feel that someone should at least be seen to be held to account for their actions...or lack of, I am resigning from my position as Chaplain to the Arboris as I feel I no longer deserve the post, until such time as my gaffer Lord Longstor tells me I have earned my seat there again. Which like as not will ne'er happen. I also publicly disassociate myself from the church hierarchy as I feel it has become about a man rather than a God. I will, however, continue to pay my tithes to the church, as the money I contribute will go towards helping the large numbers of non adventuring priests who are the ones dealing with the people of Ithron on a daily basis. I apologise to my friends that read this and dont agree with my choices. I do this because I'm not comfortable with the thought that I failed to act when I could have done and I need to atone for that. I also do it to set an example, that will perhaps restore some semblance of faith in the church among the good folk of Ithron and perhaps lead others to look at themselves through the eyes of others outside their immediate circles.


I look forwards to hearing from Sir Sinjen and Father Militant Amras as soon as they read or hear of this post.
High Father, its is Men & Women such as you that should be leading the Church of Longstor, you restore my faith that not all are too proud, I salute your actions in this matter. I hope your Undercouncil reads this missive and acts upon it very soon.
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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by Elanor » 28 Sep 2018, 13:29

Master Scathlock

Our Billy will never be allowed to lead the Church because he ain't a human and we're not allowed to do that sort of thing.

I might have read too much into your comment there though, so sorry if you already knew that!

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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by Steve » 28 Sep 2018, 13:50

Mother Tiffin, greetings, I was ignorant of High Father Burrowright's race but I feel his example looses no credibility because of it. I have to my knowledge never met Him but I like what he stands for, despite not being a religious Man myself I am aware of the Churches and their reputations, I feel your present Primate has done little to live up to this in recent weeks.
Had any of the council of light any stones once they'd learnt what HF Stephan had done, they'd have deconsecrated the dual shrine and denounced him,(HF Stephen) slotting the heretic of Githas would not have gone amiss, but not so I'm afraid.
In my opinion anyone that voted to morally support HF Stephan was guilty of the charge of Heresey, and should have been punished as the Kings Law dictates. For whatever reasons this charge was commuted to that of Blasphemy....... Primates should IMHO be paragons of virtue to their flock within the parameters of their Faith not politicians.
If my opinion carried any weight I would still council that the present Council of light stood down and new heads be put into position by the respective Under Councils, all the time they stay in post gives leeway to the Dark Six's Churches, especially Seraclan, to undermine and sew their evil seeds.

I'm not angry about this just disappointed in the current council of Light,

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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by lord dollery » 28 Sep 2018, 14:22

Steve wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 13:50
I'm not angry about this just disappointed in the current council of Light,
But William,

They said they're sorry and admitted to what they did...

After they got caught and were forced by the Arch-Duke to assist in the investigation...

So we should just forget this whole thing and just crack on with things...
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Re: Primates, dual shrines and morality

Post by Mike P BL8 » 28 Sep 2018, 17:47

lord dollery wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 14:22
Steve wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 13:50
I'm not angry about this just disappointed in the current council of Light,
But William,

They said they're sorry and admitted to what they did...

After they got caught and were forced by the Arch-Duke to assist in the investigation...

So we should just forget this whole thing and just crack on with things...
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