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Mortal & divine Law

Post by Mike P BL8 » 27 Sep 2018, 15:56

Good day, I wish to ask this of the faithful so I can get a better understand of what it is to serve a God as one of their followers

Where Divine mandates in the form of strictures and sins conflict with mortal law which is chosen?

I have heard tale that the following (purely hypothetical) argument being used with regards to current events and it prompts my question:

Primate X is found guilty of a crime, is branded and cannot usually hold the rank of primate and yet they still hold the holy relic of their faith.

Should said Primate have been been asked to retire from Primacy by the rightful authority of Ithron would they have to do so?

Would the defender look to remove them in that instance or would they too be held by divine law and sin and stricture to aid their fellow church member?

What would happen if the people asked for the Primate to be removed? Would they be able to do so or could this be ignored as the Primate still hold the Holy relic which proves their divine right?

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Re: Mortal & divine Law

Post by Palthera » 27 Sep 2018, 16:07

Holding the relic of Primate shows only that the individual hasn't done anything to actively offend their deity. The relic isn't removed unless they cease to hold the mortal position of Primate - which implies that the Gods do pay some attention to the events of individual countries on Arda; they recognise national boundaries and issue relics accordingly.
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Re: Mortal & divine Law

Post by Mike P BL8 » 27 Sep 2018, 16:18

Thank you Lady Elanor very helpful.
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Post by DOF Sidhe » 27 Sep 2018, 17:27

Mr Meetshack,

In your hypothetical scenario of a Primate being branded for a crime, I would expect the Church’s Defender of the Faith to step in and remove them from their position of authority.

Once removed from such a position, possession of their holy relic would cease to be an issue.

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Post by paul_austin » 27 Sep 2018, 18:06

Mike P BL8 wrote:
27 Sep 2018, 15:56
Primate X is found guilty of a crime, is branded and cannot usually hold the rank of primate and yet they still hold the holy relic of their faith.
From my looking through the law document and I am happy to be corrected But I couldn't find anything legally saying a Primate (or indeed any other position of society) can't continue to hold their position if branded.

I understand the moral and social connotation of course
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Post by ShaunL » 27 Sep 2018, 18:45

Mista Meat-sack.

It up to church who leed it. If leeder haz support of faithful it not ennywun elses con-sern.

After all, if we is speakin of hypof... hippot... made up fings dat hant akchoolly happened, man cud fall foul of law if lord who he supposed to obey orders him to do sumfin dat wud put him in sin. Why wud church turn against leader who chose law of god over law of man?
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Post by Phil R » 27 Sep 2018, 19:07

The negative reputations of leaders reflect upon those that follow them as much as the positive ones. Soldiers who follow a general who is branded thief would be perceived as endorsing their leader and supporting their actions and in doing so give the impression that being a branded thief was socially acceptable.

To put it simply they would be tarred with same brush. It is the fear of this that followers would turn from their leader.

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Post by Mike P BL8 » 27 Sep 2018, 19:41

Good day Mr Lowlife, first I would like to say when addressing someone it is polite to get their name right. Its just good manners.

To address your point it is everyones concern when the head of a faith is convicted and branded for a crime. It damages our relations with our allies and sows mistrust among the people which is ultimately damaging to everyone.

It is a dangerous precedent to make branded criminals socially acceptable
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Post by Reaver91 » 27 Sep 2018, 20:30

I agree with my cousin Darkmantle.

If a leader was to fall from grace, the loyalty of his soldiers could dwindle.
The same is for the Church. If a Primate is branded a heretic, the followers of that church might feel that the Primate is not suited to lead the Church anymore.

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